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<p>How do the world’s most renowned scientists and theorists regard the spiritual realm? Can science and spirituality, so long at odds, find common ground? Can a scientist believe in the afterlife?</p>
<p>Kurt Gödel, the renowned logician and mathematician who had an immense effect on logic, on philosophy, and on the emerging field of theoretical computer science certainly did — he said “If the world is rationally constructed and has meaning, then there must be such a thing [as an afterlife].”</p>
<p><strong>RELATED: <a href="https://bahaiteachings.org/where-do-we-go-when-we-die/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Where Do We Go When We Die?</a></strong></p>
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<p>Among the remarkable constellations of geniuses that populated the early and mid-twentieth-century landscape, Gödel was a close friend to individuals like Einstein and Von Neumann. Gödel developed theorems that put hard limits on the “truths” we can access using formal logical systems. </p>
<p>I recently read this fascinating Aeon article —  <a href="https://aeon.co/essays/kurt-godel-his-mother-and-the-argument-for-life-after-death?fbclid=IwAR2veV0dqJjITPJj8HEetkqSLn02ORxKbXZ1ZuNPezCsEGy19Mb0YnQ4neI" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">“We’ll meet again”</a> by Alexander Englert — which details some of Gödel’s private thoughts about the afterlife, revealed in four letters he wrote to his mother in 1961.</p>
<p>In Englert’s article, I learned for the first time about Kurt Gödel’s fourteen-point outline of his deepest philosophical thoughts. As a scientist and as a person of faith, this really intrigued me, since it resonated strongly with many of the ideas that I’ve found in my studies of the Baha’i Faith. Here are Gödel’s fourteen points:</p>
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<li>The world is rational.</li>
<li>Human reason can, in principle, be developed more highly (through certain techniques).</li>
<li>There are systematic methods for the solution of all problems (also art, etc.).</li>
<li><em>There are other worlds and rational beings of a different and higher kind.</em></li>
<li>The world in which we live is not the only one in which we shall live or have lived.</li>
<li>There is incomparably more knowable a priori than is currently known.</li>
<li>The development of human thought since the Renaissance is thoroughly intelligible.</li>
<li>Reason in mankind will be developed in every direction.</li>
<li>Formal rights comprise a real science.</li>
<li>Materialism is false.</li>
<li>The higher beings are connected to the others by analogy, not by composition.</li>
<li>Concepts have an objective existence.</li>
<li>There is a scientific (exact) philosophy and theology, which deals with concepts of the highest abstractness; and this is also most highly fruitful for science.</li>
<li>Religions are, for the most part, bad — but religion is not.</li>
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<p>Englert’s Aeon essay provides some background to a few of these points via Gödel’s letters. For example on the first point, “<em>The world is rational</em>,” Gödel explained in a letter to his mother dated 23 July 1961:</p>
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<p>Does one have a reason to assume that the world is rationally organized? I think so. For it is absolutely not chaotic and arbitrary, rather — as natural science demonstrates — there reigns in everything the greatest regularity and order. Order is, indeed, a form of rationality.</p>
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<p>In another passage, Gödel went on to explain why the world’s rationality motivates his belief in an afterlife:</p>
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<p>If the world is rationally organized and has meaning, then it must be the case. For what sort of a meaning would it have to bring about a being (the human being) with such a wide field of possibilities for personal development and relationships to others, only then to let him achieve not even 1/1,000th of it?</p>
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<p>This also relates to Gödel’s fifth point: <em>“The world in which we live is not the only one in which we shall live or have lived.”</em>  </p>
<p>Remarkably, these ideas were first <a href="https://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/abdul-baha/some-answered-questions/4#854608442" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">formulated</a> by <a href="https://bahaiteachings.org/abdul-baha/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Abdu’l Baha</a>, who originally stated them more than half a century earlier in his 1906 book “Some Answered Questions”:</p>
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<p><strong>… nature is subject to a sound organization, to inviolable laws, to a perfect order, and to a consummate design, from which it never departs. To such an extent is this true that were you to gaze with the eye of insight and discernment, you would observe that all things—from the smallest invisible atom to the largest globes in the world of existence, such as the sun or the other great stars and luminous bodies—are most perfectly organized, be it with regard to their order, their composition, their outward form, or their motion, and that all are subject to one universal law from which they never depart.</strong></p>
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<p>Abdu’l-Baha reinforced that point in another <a href="https://reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/SAB/sab-157.html.utf8?query=Indeed%2C%7Cwhat%7Cwould%7Ceffects%7Coutcomes%7CDivinity%7CItself%3F%7CWere%7Csuch%7Ca%7Cnotion%7Ctrue%2C&amp;action=highlight#pg185" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">passage</a> from “Some Answered Questions”:</p>
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<p><strong>… if a human life, with its spiritual being, were limited to this earthly span, then what would be the harvest of creation? Indeed, what would be the effects and the outcomes of Divinity Itself? Were such a notion true, then all created things, all contingent realities, and this whole world of being—all would be meaningless. God forbid that one should hold to such a fiction and gross error.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>RELATED:<a href="https://bahaiteachings.org/can-we-die-joyously/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> Can We Die Joyously?</a></strong></p>
<p>Compare, as well, Gödel’s fourth point “<em>There are other worlds and rational beings of a different and higher kind,”</em> with the views <a href="https://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/bahaullah/gleanings-writings-bahaullah/4#070373527" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">shared</a> in the even earlier 19th-century writings of <a href="https://bahaiteachings.org/bahaullah/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Baha’u’llah</a>, the prophet and founder of the<a href="https://bahaiteachings.org/bahai-faith/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> Baha’i Faith</a>: “<strong>Know thou that every fixed star hath its own planets, and every planet its own creatures, whose number no man can compute</strong>” and<em> </em>“<strong>Know thou of a truth that the worlds of God are countless in their number, and infinite in their range. None can reckon or comprehend them except God, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise.</strong>”</p>
<p>Did the <a href="https://bahaiteachings.org/main-principles/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Baha’i teachings</a> anticipate and foresee the insights of renowned scientists and thinkers like Gödel? In the next essay in this short series, we’ll look at the evidence in one specific area: reincarnation.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Legendary singer Tina Turner has died. She was 83. “It is with great sadness that we announce the passing of Tina Turner,” read a statement on the singer’s Instagram account on Wednesday, May 24, alongside a black-and-white photo of the iconic songstress. “With her music and her boundless passion for life, she enchanted millions of [&#8230;]</p>
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<p>Legendary singer Tina Turner has died. She was 83.</p>
<p>“It is with great sadness that we announce the passing of Tina Turner,” read a statement on the singer’s Instagram account on Wednesday, May 24, alongside a black-and-white photo of the iconic songstress. “With her music and her boundless passion for life, she enchanted millions of fans around the world and inspired the stars of tomorrow. Today we say goodbye to a dear friend who leaves us all her greatest work: her music. All our heartfelt compassion goes out to her family. Tina, we will miss you dearly.”</p>
<p>Earlier on Wednesday, Turner’s rep released a statement announcing her death.</p>
<p>“Tina Turner, the ‘Queen of Rock ‘n’ Roll’ has died peacefully today at the age of 83 after a long illness in her home in Kusnacht near Zurich, Switzerland.” Her spokesperson, <strong>Bernard Doherty</strong>, added: “With her, the world loses a music legend and a role model.”</p>
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 Tina Turner.</span> <span class="credit">Eugene Adebari/Shutterstock</span></p>
<p>Turner had a long and successful career. However, the star also battled through some difficult health issues throughout her life.</p>
<p>In 2013, three weeks after her wedding to <strong>Erwin Bach</strong>, the “What’s Love Got to Do with It” singer suffered from a stroke and had to learn to walk again.</p>
<p>Three years later, in 2016, Turner was diagnosed with both intestinal cancer and kidney failure.</p>
<p>“I had no pain but my body was reacting from cancer in the colon, from kidney failure. It sounds like it continues and goes on and it does … Then they came up with there was cancer in the colon, both kidneys were already gone and the kidney takes care of cleansing the body,” the Tennessee native wrote in her 2018 memoir, Tina Turner: My Love Story. “All of that had started to toxify. So it was on its way. I said I’m ready to go if it’s time. My mother and sister have gone. Erwin said, ‘No, I don’t want another partner,’ so it went on and on.” The “Proud Mary” singer and the music executive, 66, dated for 27 years before tying the knot in 2013.</p>
<p>Turner had kidney transplant surgery in April 2017 and went into a full remission.</p>
<p>The “Queen of Rock ‘n’ Roll” – born Anna Mae Bullock – kicked off her singing career at 18 years old, singing with the band Kings of Rhythm led by future husband Ike Turner in 1957. One year later, Tina gave birth to her first son, Craig, whom she shared with saxophonist Raymond Hill, a musician in Kings of Rhythm.</p>
<p>Tina began a relationship with Ike in 1960 and welcomed their son Ronnie in October of that year. The twosome married in Tijuana in 1962. In her 1986 memoir, I, Tina, the singer revealed that Ike was abusive throughout their whole relationship and the abuse led to her suicide attempt in 1968. In July 1976, Tina filed for divorce on the grounds of irreconcilable differences.</p>
<p>In July 1960, Tina released her first single with Ike, “A Fool in Love,” which landed them on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. After the success of their first hit, Ike created the Ike &#038; Tina Turner Revue which was a combination of Kings of Rhythm and the girl group the Ikettes. In 1964, the band signed with Loma Records run by Bob Krasnow where they achieved their first charting album Live! The Ike &#038; Tina Turner Show.</p>
<p>After years of physical abuse perpetrated by Ike and a messy divorce, Tina released her debut solo album Private Dancer in 1984. It was a groundbreaking success and won the rock and roll singer three Grammy Awards, including Record of the Year and Best Female Vocal Performance for “What’s Love Got to Do with It.” She went on to create many other hit albums including Break Every Rule (1986) and Foreign Affair (1989).</p>
<p>Ike and Tina were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1991, and she received a Kennedy Center Honor in 2005. The Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome star also was given a Grammy Award for lifetime achievement in 2018. In 2021, Tina was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a solo performer.</p>
<p>Apart from her extensive musical career, Tina penned two autobiographies as well as the self-help book Happiness Becomes You: A Guide to Changing Your Life for Good (2020). Tina, a jukebox musical, was also written about her life and debuted on Broadway in 2019. Two years later, she was the subject of the HBO documentary Tina.</p>
<p>In addition to her health issues and the abuse she endured from her ex-husband Tina suffered more hardship when her son Craig was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound in July 2018. He was 59.</p>
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<p>“My saddest moment as a mother,” the singer tweeted alongside a picture of her spreading Craig’s ashes off the side of a boat. “On Thursday, July 19 2018, I said my final goodbye to my son, Craig Raymond Turner, when I gathered with family and friends to scatter his ashes off the coast of California. He was fifty-nine when he died so tragically, but he will always be my baby.”</p>
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